questioning if it works.

Post here if you have been practising for a while, and you are starting to get your head around what this is all about. Also post here if you are a long-term practitioner with something to say about the practice.
callez
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Wed Feb 10, 2016 2:57 pm  

Hello,

I come from a place of anxiety and feelings of loneliness since 4-5 years bacj that culminated in the fall of 2014. Then I wasnt able to sleep and had terrible panic attacks. I had started a bit of mindfulness during the summer but stopped my practice during that time. Ive come back at it quite strongly meditating daily for at least 15-20 minutes, often more.

I still have several periods of not feeling too good about my situation in life, wishing I had more friends. I also feel like my confidence is very low making it hard to make new friends.

Even though Ive had a regular practice for more than a year I still dont feel content with life.. and now my motivation is dropping and I feel like this whole mindfulness thing isnt possible. I feels like i must devote so much time to the practice to get benefit from it and im wondering if its possible in the long run.

Not to be too pessimistic.. I have seen improvements in my daily life, feeling calmer and recognising thoughts, bodily feelings etc etc, handling though situations a bit better.

I know you cant answer this but I dont care.. I just need to ask.. will my feelings over my life situation turn? will I feel at least somewhat content? Will I feel Confident as I once did? is it possible without becoming a monk..?

I also just had to write about these thoughts to get them out of my head. So I thank you for Reading :oops:

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FeeHutch
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Wed Feb 10, 2016 3:50 pm  

Hello Callez and welcome to the forum :)
It sounds like you're expecting your mindfulness practice to give you something, like feeling more confident or less anxious, is that correct?
Mindfulness isn't about achieving a goal or changing how we feel. It's about paying attention to where we are in the moment and not getting caught up in thoughts but acknowledging them.
Wherever possible we always recommend trying to find a local mindfulness teacher and course. If that's not possible there are some great books which include a structured 8 week course with guided meditations. Are you aware of or tried these options?
“Being mindful means that we take in the present moment as it is rather than as we would like it to be.”
Mark Williams

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Peter
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Wed Feb 10, 2016 3:52 pm  

Hi callez,

Welcome to the forum! It sounds like you haven't accepted your feelings. You need to accept those feelings! Even if you don't like some things in your life, you can still accept your feelings about them! Have you tried homing in on those feelings of nonacceptance of yourself and your life? I would advise you to examine those feelings and be with them. Just let them be there and stay with them.

Of course you can always change the things you don't like about your life, but I think it is better to do so from an acceptance of what already is!

Peter

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Wed Feb 10, 2016 4:22 pm  

Hi callez,
Welcome to the forum.
Further to what Fee and Peter have said, I'd like to add something about the 8-week course. One crucial part of it (beginning in week five) is turning towards difficulty which we learn to do slowly and carefully, rather than throwing ourselves in at the deep end and finding we can't cope.
Like anything in mindfulness, it requires enormous patience and self-compassion.
Have you checked out whether there are any courses available in your area?
You might also want to look into organising your own meet-up group. I launched my own three years ago and it's now got 485 members here in the Brighton area. It's a great way to meet like-minded people. I've met some great friends through my group and I've learned a lot about mindfulness too. It's cheap to run too. meet up.com
Cheers,
Jon
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Peter
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Wed Feb 10, 2016 4:31 pm  

What a great site (meetup.com). Thanks for sharing that, Jon!!

Peter

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Wed Feb 10, 2016 5:55 pm  

Thankfully, Peter, not all 485 members turn up at once. Which is just as well as I normally get the first round in. Only two people turned up at the last one but we nattered for six hours.
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Jon
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callez
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Wed Feb 10, 2016 7:03 pm  

hello again! and thanks for the quick replys and the welcoming to the forum.

Ive done a few courses at a local buddhist centre focusing on meditation and mindfulness. I do this to strengthen my practice and keep up with it. I dont consider myself a buddhist and therefore I think this is an adequate forum for me.

I suppose you guys are at the core of the problem.. I have been practicing staying with my feelings of anxiety in meditation a little bit.. otherwise its usually just through regular mindfulness that I feel it. Maybe I should deepen that practice.

I am very goal driven in my practice, I usually read science articles (a little bit obsessive) about benefits of meditation and mindfulness.. since Im longing for more confidence etc.. I think I need to stop doing that and just relax into the practice.

thanks again for the quick replys, it made me glad.

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Wed Feb 10, 2016 7:10 pm  

A pleasure, callez.
I hope you stick around here on the forum. Feel free to ask any questions or join in any of the conversational threads. We'll always do our best to help in whatever way we can.
All good things,
Jon, Hove
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Jakz
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Mon Feb 22, 2016 12:59 am  

Hi Callez ... stay with it ..... You may not get ' results' in the way that you expect. Changes are subtle and gradual as we learn to respond to life 'as it is' rather than reacting to our conditioning.
Mindfulness isn't so much like a magic carpet ride to happiness, rather a skill we cultivate that, among other things, helps us to notice our 'internal dialogue'.
Really examine feelings that arise when you are sitting and practicing ..... For example, if I feel lonely and disconnected , I feel a tightness around my heart and throat area ..... When I become aware of the feeling I am able to allow the tightness to soften .... I am able to let the tightness dissolve. (Being mindful of the feeling aspect of my being takes attention away from the thinking aspect. )
My experience has been that in cultivating this aspect of mindfulness....mindfulness of body, if you like, it allows space for beliefs about myself to come to the surface, and to notice how the beliefs affect my feelings and emotions. Beliefs are thoughts, and thoughts are fluid and ever changing, with no fixed or solid permanency, arising and dissolving.
Our self image is created by a set of beliefs that we have gathered and taken on board over the course of a lifetime ... And mindfulness allows us to notice these beliefs and to see if they still serve us .. Right now.
No matter what we are thinking or feeling, whether 'replaying' old hurts, ( like a movie in our head ) or projecting imaginary fears into some unknown and unknowable future, it is all taking place right now.
Being mindful of what is happening right now ( whether we are sitting in meditation or driving to work .... Whatever we are doing.. ) allows us to stop the habit of overthinking our situation and allows us to engage fully in the moment. And when we can do this our entire experience changes.
Be kind to yourself ..... try starting the day with an ' attitude of gratitude'- this can make a big difference to our mood ( I still wake up thinking how grateful I am for little things, like a comfy bed, a roof over my head, hot and cold running water and tea bags ... Well you might prefer coffee, but you get my drift. )
Being ' mindful ' is a skill that we can learn to apply to every waking moment. And if we are fully here and now, ( and not ' there and then ' ) our authentic self can shine, and one day we realise that our old fears and negative self talk have dropped away all by themselves.
In my opinion, mindfulness is a skill that can be practiced every waking moment. It stops becoming a ' doing ' and is more of a way of 'being'. ( With the benefit that in striving to be mindful all the time there's no need to find 'time' to practice!)
When we are fully here and now, every now, there is no place for negative self talk to seep in and spoil the moment. Try to allow life to unfold with a sense of gentle acceptance and curiosity, without the personal storyline.
This is the profound beauty of mindfulness, that in paying attention to our thoughts and feelings, we bring ourselves into alignment with life, as it is, right now, sometimes raw and confronting, sometimes beautiful beyond imagination, and always changing, moment by moment. In that noticing, we see 'the thought' (for instance, I am happy, I am sad, I want more friends, I don't like my job, etc etc ) has already been and gone ... it is in retrospect that the noticing takes place.
Here and Now has no discernible quality .... (we ourselves apply the label good, bad etc) .... and the label itself has no intrinsic reality.
Practice of mindfulness will cultivate a quality of acceptance of things how they actually are , right now, and with acceptance comes peace. Happiness and sadness will come and go as will all emotional states, but the background peaceful awareness will become the 'default position', as we learn to respond to life as it is, rather than reacting with fear, anxiety and other 'fight or flight' responses that have become conditioned behaviour over a lifetime ... which for some of us can be many decades.
Being fully present in the moment as much as possible gives us a contrasting experience by which we can examine how our thoughts and beliefs have come to control us and our behaviour. It also offers us a direct experience of how we CAN let go of that conditioning, and how conditioned beliefs and behaviour can only sneak back in when we are NOT being mindful of the present moment and have slipped back into 'unconsciousness.'

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Mon Feb 22, 2016 9:08 am  

Welcome to the forum, Jakz.
Superb post. Thank you.
All best wishes,
Jon, Hove
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