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The difference between mindfulness and flow
Posted: Fri Dec 06, 2013 3:13 pm
by Metaphysical Me
Reading the posts on this forum, I get the impression that there are some major misconceptions about mindfulness here.
While FLOW (a term researched and coined by Mihály Csíkszentmihályi) is a definitely a PART of mindfulness,
it is important to note that mindfulness does not = flow.
Essential parts of mindfulness are being missed, if it's just being reduced to "experiencing a state of FLOW".Here's the links to the wikipedia site explaining flow and a link for Mihály Csíkszentmihályi's Book "Finding Flow: The Psychology of Engagement with Everyday Life"
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Flow_%28psychology%29http://www.amazon.co.uk/Finding-Flow-Ps ... 993&sr=1-3It would really be more useful to distinguish between "mindfulness" and "flow" in discussions - leading to less misconceptions.
Re: The difference between mindfulness and flow
Posted: Fri Dec 06, 2013 4:48 pm
by piedwagtail91
"According to Csikszentmihalyi, flow is completely focused motivation. It is a single-minded immersion and represents perhaps the ultimate experience in harnessing the emotions in the service of performing and learning. In flow, the emotions are not just contained and channeled, but positive, energized, and aligned with the task at hand. To be caught in the ennui of depression or the agitation of anxiety is to be barred from flow. The hallmark of flow is a feeling of spontaneous joy, even rapture, while performing a task[2] although flow is also described (below) as a deep focus on nothing but the activity – not even oneself or one's emotions."
you're right about flow not being mindfulness, the way i read the quote nothing in it comes near being mindful. talking about harnessing ,containing and barring feelings/emotions isn't mindfulness, it's not accepting , experiencing or open to what's actually happening in that moment .
Re: The difference between mindfulness and flow
Posted: Fri Dec 06, 2013 6:34 pm
by Cheesus
Could you specify where the misconception is arising?
I use the term 'go with the flow' often to signal that one should just let things arise as they are and to let go of attempts to control them. To stop resisting, as it were. This term is in common use in the English language and has a widely understood meaning.
I don't recognise your terminology and have not been promoting it. I am not sure many on the forum would recognise 'flow' in this context as it appears somewhat esoteric. As a result I do not think it would cause confusion.
Re: The difference between mindfulness and flow
Posted: Fri Dec 06, 2013 7:31 pm
by Metaphysical Me
Flow occurs when a person is aware of his or her actions but is not being aware of his or her awareness.
Mindfulness is viewed not as the achievement of any particular state, but as intentional awareness of what is, plus being aware of awareness.
A very important difference!!
Re: The difference between mindfulness and flow
Posted: Fri Dec 06, 2013 7:34 pm
by Metaphysical Me
Flow is not esoterical - it's researched just as scientifically as mindfulness is.
I'm surprised people here have not heard of the scientific concept of "flow". The book "Flow" was a bestseller.
I'm adding a link to an article, that might also help show the difference in a real life situation:
http://www.psychologytoday.com/blog/wha ... rumps-flow
Re: The difference between mindfulness and flow
Posted: Fri Dec 06, 2013 7:36 pm
by Metaphysical Me
This is the standard chart used to explain flow:
Re: The difference between mindfulness and flow
Posted: Fri Dec 06, 2013 7:42 pm
by Metaphysical Me
Here's a website that does a pretty good job of explaining the chart shown above.
http://ayearofproductivity.com/how-to-experience-flow-magical-chart/
Re: The difference between mindfulness and flow
Posted: Fri Dec 06, 2013 7:44 pm
by Metaphysical Me
From what people here are posting (things like "just shut your eyes and listen to sounds") they are describing states of flow.
As I posted above, states of flow are part of mindfulness but they do not equal mindfulness!
Re: The difference between mindfulness and flow
Posted: Fri Dec 06, 2013 7:47 pm
by Metaphysical Me
Cheesus wrote:Could you specify where the misconception is arising?
I don't recognise your terminology and have not been promoting it. I am not sure many on the forum would recognise 'flow' in this context as it appears somewhat esoteric. As a result I do not think it would cause confusion.
No, people are not using the word "flow" and confusing it with the word "mindfulness". They are confusing
states of flow with states of mindfulness and then describing a state of flow they have experienced and calling
that a "state mindfulness". That is where the misconception lies.
Re: The difference between mindfulness and flow
Posted: Fri Dec 06, 2013 7:58 pm
by piedwagtail91
Metaphysical Me wrote:From what people here are posting (things like "just shut your eyes and listen to sounds") they are describing states of flow.
As I posted above, states of flow are part of mindfulness but they do not equal mindfulness!
Closing your eyes and listening to sounds is mindfulness.