i dont know if meditation can solve my problem

Post here if you are just starting out with your mindfulness practice. Mindfulness is a really difficult concept to get your head around at first, and it might be that you would benefit from some help from others.
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Gareth
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Thu Apr 02, 2015 8:26 am  

Pajko wrote:But it just isnt working.


This implies that you have some kind of goal for your practice i.e it should be making me calmer. The thing is, that mindfulness and goals really don't work together. This whole practice is about not striving for things to be different, and allowing things to be exactly as they are. The irony is of course that a regular practice can bring about some of the things you desire.

Mindfulness is full of paradoxes I'm afraid.

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Thu Apr 02, 2015 8:43 am  

Doing an 8 week course which is structured will allow you to develop your mindfulness skills and give you plenty of practice in using them.
The way the course is designed ensures this.
If there are no courses in your area then following fpiafw or the mindful way workbook will allow you to develop your skills and enable you to see where you're going wrong.
continuing to strive or expect things to be a certain way isn't mindfulness and isn't doing you a lot of good.

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Thu Apr 02, 2015 9:21 am  

As Mick says, the course provides all-important structure. It is very carefully calibrated. There's a good reason why the body scan is introduced at a certain stage, why "turning towards difficulty" is introduced at a certain stage. From week to week we strengthen the muscles of awareness.
A book is never going to replicate the experience of working with an experienced teacher but it can be an acceptable substitute.
Without either, there is no structure and therefore no grounding.
In short, the best way to approach mindfulness is mindfully.
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Pajko
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Thu Apr 02, 2015 1:20 pm  

I am grounded in mindfullness been practicing it for three months. I do alot more meditation than the course and also throughout the day. Some things are just difficult to be with . Specially social pressure. There i feel like i dont have the time to sit and be aware of my fear. But nowadays sometimes this release happens automatically. I do all kinds of meditation throughout the day. With all respect dont say im not grounded. My striving exists indeed but thats because i stay with something and no space comes.

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Thu Apr 02, 2015 2:22 pm  

the skills learnt in the first 4 mindfulness sessions all come together in the "turning towards/working with difficulty" in week 5.
most of your difficulties would have been covered by that stage and your current worries could be used as a focus, in a quiet and relaxing place, in a "turning towards/working with difficulty" meditation to allow you to explore them.

no one is saying you're not grounded but for mindfulness to be effective in daily life and all the difficulties it throws at us it has to be structured and practiced in the right way.

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Thu Apr 02, 2015 2:48 pm  

Okay. But how are those meditation different from bodyscans and breath awareness?

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Thu Apr 02, 2015 2:57 pm  

they're structured so that you get a weeks practice on each and develop awareness at each stage.

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Thu Apr 02, 2015 5:40 pm  

Yeah taking a course wont happen saddly. It would be nice though. Im sticking to internet and youtube sources

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Mon Apr 06, 2015 10:35 pm  

Hello Pajko,
I can empathise with feeling alien and difficient and being as unique as I thought I was they clung to.me tenatiously, valiantly resisting all challenges with the word but and a misplaced belief in my own thinking.
For what its worth my present ease of existence was unimaginable before I experienced it and is not possible without the present centred, instinct/sensation based mindful awareness offered by meditation. Meditation was a beginning. I got the real push when my instinctive behaviour outshone any that my conscious, moment to moment, micro mangaged kind had ever produced by applying quiet mind awareness practices to anything and everything. I missed the idea that the brain works quicker and better than I can think when permitted to.
When left alone it continued to surprise and impress me, increasing my faith and further ingraining my belief in the practice.
When I doubt or attempt to dodge I'll read, write or reflect on anything thats positive This helps the motivation to do it (a must) which produces results (some peace of mind) further canning the doubts, improving motivation and so on. An almost self perpetuating pattern of affirmative thinking and behaviour whose initial setup and snowball effect mirror many of those at play in the creation and affirmation of the bad stuff.
I'm also getting much better at being human which helps. When an off day triggers the less than healthy bits of my psyche, or something arises that trys to take priority away from.the basics, rather than give it legs by trying to figure it out, or worse still getting the whip out , I can bring myself back to breath awareness, a skill fostered by meditation.
With a consistently quiet mind I can bypass lots of the programed stuff, letting me live far more instinctively. At some point I came to understand what it was to be comfortable in my own skin and I noticed a surety in myself that although subtle, is unquestioning and has proven to be a bedrock for some of the really good stuff. Its also proved weather resistant over a number of bloody ordinary seasons. Self worth without strings, gold.
Persist, endure, remain open and very importantly, try and remember it all really ain't so serious. The better I feel the less important I look in the bigger picture, a real plus when it comes to finding the lighter side of things.
I am largely free of anger, confusion, anxiety and long periods of sadness, amongst other
things. What has and is replacing.it is beyond words and certainly beyond any prior imagining. Suffice to say I and others are witnessing me develop into one those annoyingly confident, calm, unaccountably positive, genial, capable, consistent, take it all in there stride with no sweat types. The feelings and behaviours associated with those traits are coming as naturally and instinctively as the old destructive ones did. It feels completely natural and spontaneous and still raises a slightly incredulous smile when I reflect on it, but the contrast is writ large in so many tangible areas of my life that even with my highly tuned ability at ignoring the obvious I cant miss them.
Simple doesn't equate to easy, but it puts it in reach for most.
Wish I had more for ya but I don't. I can recall that all consuming and painful state of mind, a sort that blinded me from anything but my own torment, was misunderstood by most and saw only black. An earth bound purgarory thin on respite.
Sadly I don't know of any black box answers. I will quote a local dehli owner who, when asked the difference between cheeses, responded with 'same but different'. In other words using simple tools such as meditation and mindfulness will benefit just about anyone, but the nature of the experience and its specific benefits to the individual will vary. She was a switched on lady. Theres more to expecting bugger all than just avoiding disappointment, it clears the feild for lots of good stuff that is easy to miss or dismiss when expectations are king.

David

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Sun Apr 12, 2015 3:26 am  

Thanks. I think i might have a personality disorder. And i wonder if meditation can make me somewhat normal? I avoid emotions alot on a subconcious level kind of. I cant meet people in the eye i cant express love, i am emotionally detached. So i think i have avoidant personality disorder. I have an excruciating difficult time opening up and letting go. So i wonder how does buddhism view personality disorders? Are they aswell an illusion of the ego? Ive gotten glimpses of how it is to just flow with life and be truelly authentic. From that point i feel like i can move forward and everything, but when im in my destroyed ego i feel uterly powerless. I cant click i cant self express. Its terrible. personality disorders are really the worst. Though, it would explain everything. What makes it worse is that when i accept everything and am my true self i am so good socially and i know that im good at it.
when in personality disorder mode i feel like i cant meditate. I can put my awareness to my breath for hours but no peace of mind would be felt. I feel like life sucks really. Meditation has made things better. But i dont know if its worth it/ i dont trust myself enough to believe . I lack the self love needed to stay in the present moment. I have realized that if im not self compassionate my mindfullness doesnt flow and it becomes really mechanical, and ive also niticed that when i let go i become compassionate. This sometimes just happens and i dont really know what i do. It has happened more often since i started meditating automatically. I just eant to know how i can do it with my own will. Thats my lifes greatest wish really.

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